Phil Kirk has seen nine N.C. governors in action, from his days as a student Republican Club leader, state senator, two-time cabinet chief, chief of staff to two governors and a U.S. senator, chairman of the State Board of Education, head of North Carolina’s largest business group, lobbyist, and private citizen.

Kirk offered his recollections and assessments of each governor during a presentation Monday to the John Locke Foundation’s Shaftesbury Society. In the video clip below, Kirk discusses current Gov. Pat McCrory, whom he’s known since their days as Catawba College trustees.

Click here to watch Kirk’s full presentation, including his take on each governor he has known since the early 1960s.